A Significant Oversight By Yours Truly:
(But one which *will* be corrected soon)
[This entry was also blogged today at The Lidless Eye Inquisition due to (i) its importance on a commonly misunderstood subject amongst radtrads and (ii) the note it contains about an oversight in one of my writings that will be tended to - ISM]
It was brought to my attention recently that I overlooked a part of the statements of Cardinal Alfons Stickler in the section of my treatise which dissects piece by piece the stock "we are not in schism" pamphlet by the SSPX.
Now those who have read
that section of the treatise before already know that all of the SSPX's "experts" who supposely vindicate them in reality explicitly condemn them as schismatics and their bishops as excommunicates - except Cardinal Stickler.{1} But the reason for the former not being posted by me as a condemner of their position was that they quoted Cardinal Stickler on the subject of the Tridentine mass, not on the SSPX's illegal and criminal consecrations or other elements pertaining to their schism. (Which was what I focused exclusively on when drafting that section in November of 1999.) Nonetheless, one small point slipped under my radar and it is the ellipse (and the lack of some ellipses) in the following part of the pamphlet:
Pope John Paul II, in 1986, asked a commission of nine cardinals two questions. Firstly, did Pope Paul VI, or any other competent authority legally forbid the widespread celebration of the Tridentine [Latin] Mass in the present day? The answer given by eight of the cardinals in '86 was that, no, the Mass of Saint Pius V has never been suppressed. I can say this, I was one of the cardinals. There was another question, very interesting. 'Can any bishop forbid any priest in good standing from celebrating a Tridentine Mass again?' The nine cardinals unanimously agreed that no bishop may forbid a Catholic priest from saying the Tridentine Mass. The nine cardinals unanimously agreed that no bishop may forbid a Catholic priest from saying the Tridentine Mass. We have no official prohibition and I think that the Pope would never establish an official prohibition... because of the words of Pius V, who said this was a Mass forever." (Latin Mass Magazine, May 5, 1995)
Now I have gone into detail on other occasions about why it was not allowed for celebration of the Tridentine liturgical usage prior to 1984 except in very rare cases where there were exceptions made. Pope Paul VI granted Indults to Cardinal Heenan and Archbishop Lefebvre in 1970 - though Lefebvre by his suspension could no longer lawfully utilize it. There was also an exception made for elderly priests who were viewed as either too old to learn the new rite or who wished to celebrate the older usage in private. So while it is true that there was no suppression of the older usage, at the same time prior to 1984 it was funcionally almost non-existent.
And since then with the Indults it has been the responsibility of the bishops to allow or not allow it as the pope has not (yet) ordered that they have to. So I note this here because it is clear from the rare allowances Pope Paul made for the use of this liturgical form that he has not forbid it. He
had cancelled out the law that prescribed that liturgical usage universally and gave any priest throughout the world the right to say that particular mass though.
Currently the only Missal that has this right throughout the world is the Revised Roman Missal of Pope Paul VI. The Tridentine liturgical usage is regulated by
derogation from the law prescribed by Pope Paul with
Missale Romanum - a
derogation put in place by Pope John Paul II in 1984 with a limited Indult - followed by a wider Indult in 1988 which abrogated the Indult of 1984.
I will not go into further details of the 1984 and 1988 Indults here as this has been done elsewhere. And of course the church law which prescribed the Missal of Pius V for usage throughout the Church was quite clearly cancelled out{2} and my intention at this time is not to go over why appeals to immemorial custom will not work in this case - at least not at this time. In summary, while Pope Paul never forbid the older mass form, at the same time it was not allowed under Church law prior to 1984 except in the rare cases where Pope Paul granted a privilege for its celebration - and those granted such a privilege had not been suspended of their faculties as Archbishop Lefebvre was in July of 1976. I note that here so that the reader does not misunderstand what Cardinal Stickler's words actually convey.
Having been brought to my attention another blatantly dishonest quoting of sources by the SSPX, I tracked down my Spring 1995 copy of
The Latin Mass with the Cardinal Stickler piece in it. There is his essay which I have already written a detailed confutation of back in early 2001. (See my
Writings url for details.) But the quotes from the SSPX come from another section which runs on the same pages of the essay but underneath it in gray colour titled
Cardinal Stickler Speaks Out.
Ironically, I completely forgot about this section as I had not read this issue for about six years. (Even when I wrote my rebuttal piece I used a web version so that I would not have to type out the piece at all.) And as I forgot I had the issue until very recently, the issue played no role in my treatise where I treated on this subject matter. (The intention there was to point out that Stickler had nothing whatsoever to say about the schism subject so the SSPX could not cite him as an ally.) Anyway, I repost the SSPX quote and will add in purple font what they "conveniently" do not mention - the one word omission intrigued me to track down my hardcopy of the magazine and many other forgotten goodies presented themselves in that section.
Any notes in brackets were added to His Eminence's comments by
Latin Mass Magazine and I decided to leave them in despite not agreeing with the terminology used (i.e. traditional mass). The Cardinal's words as quoted by the SSPX will be in blue font. I will add words and paragraphs in purple which are either not included in that pamphlet or disingenuously excised to manipulate the words of His Eminence. All bold and underlined parts for emphasis are also courtesy of yours truly. But without further ado, let us get to it.
Did Pope Paul actually forbid the old rite?
Pope John Paul II, in 1986, asked a commission of nine cardinals two questions. Firstly, did Pope Paul VI, or any other competent authority legally forbid the widespread celebration of the Tridentine Mass in the present day? No. He asked Benelli explicitly, "Did Paul VI forbid the old mass?" He never answered - never yes, never no.
Why? He couldn't say "Yes he forbade it." He couldn't forbid a mass which was from the beginning valid and was the Mass of thousands of saints and faithful. The difficulty for him was he couldn't forbid it, but at the same time he wanted the new Mass to be said, to be accepted. And so he could only say, "I want that the new Mass should be said." This was the answer all the princes gave to the question asked. They said: the Holy Father wished that all follow the new Mass.
The answer given by eight of the cardinals in '86 was that, no, the Mass of Saint Pius V has never been suppressed. I can say this, I was one of the cardinals. Only one was against. All the others were for the free permission: that everyone could choose the old Mass. That answer the Pope accepted, I think; but again when some bishops' conferences became aware of the danger of this permission, they came to the Pope and said, "This absolutely should not be allowed because it will be the occasion, even the cause, of controversy amongst the faithful." And informed of this argument, I think, the Pope abstained from signing this permission. Yet, as for the commission -I can report from my own experience- the answer of the great majority was positive.
There was another question, very interesting. 'Can any bishop forbid any priest in good standing from celebrating a Tridentine Mass again?' The nine cardinals unanimously agreed that no bishop may forbid a Catholic priest from saying the Tridentine Mass. The nine cardinals unanimously agreed that no bishop may forbid a Catholic priest from saying the Tridentine Mass. We have no official prohibition and I think that the Pope would never establish an official prohibition not because of the words of Pius V, who said this was a Mass forever. Those words of Pius V were common for an important decision of the Pope. He always said, "This is valid forever." But this was not a theological, it was not a dogmatic statement, this decree of the Pope promulgting his Tridentine Mass order. And so it could be changed by his successors....
In Italian, they say that one pope gives the bull and another takes the bull again, that is, he can change the disposition of his predecessor...
So what about a bishop forbidding the Mass in the case of a priest or a whole dioceses? You must realize that a bishop is the only one who has responsibility for his dioceses....Bishops have no jurisdiction over their collegues. A bishop in his dioceses, for his dioceses and his subjects, can find the arguments to forbid it. He can say, "This is disturbing to the peace in the dioceses."
It is necessary to notice that the privilege [of saying the traditional Mass, under the papal indult of 1984] is given to the bishops, not the faithful. So a bishop can use the privilege or not. [Latin Mass Magazine Summer 1995]
And of course if the bishop does not use the privilege, then those under him cannot either. Hence the argument that any priest anywhere can say the Tridentine mass without recourse to their local ordinary - a position that the SSPX deliberately misrepresented Cardinal Stickler as a proponent of - goes down in flames along with the other "proofs" decimated by yours truly in that section of the treatise.
Oh, and I *will* be adding this material to that url in the coming days so yet another lie of the SSPX and radtrads who mimic their lies stands refuted. And by an ally of the Tridentine movement no less.
Notes:
{1} While Cardinal Cassedy also does not explicitly condemn them as schismatics, he does nonetheless imply it in his comments about the Society being "not another Church or Ecclesial Community in the meaning used in the [Ecumenical] Directory." However, to explain that would be beyond the scope of that project as it delves into intricacies of Canon Law which are beyond the competence of this writer to adequately handle. In short, ask Pete Vere about it.
{2} The general allowance to celebrate the Missal of Pius V was cancelled out when Pope Paul promulgated the Apostolic Constitution
Missale Romanum in place of the previous Apostolic Constitution
Quo Primum. The latter was either abrogated (annulled) or obrogated (replaced) depending on which canonist you ask. But the functional effect is the same in both cases.
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